THE WORK IS 24/7 ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT, AND WE COVERED THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA.
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SO WHEN THAT SECOND BABY CAME, I HAD TO SWITCH TO A MORE RELIABLE AND PREDICTABLE PRACTICE AREA AND I SWITCHED OVER TO WORKERS COMPENSATION DEFENSE AND I HAD BEEN DOING THAT FROM 2010 UNTIL 2020, WHEN I RETURNED TO EDUCATION.THAT BABY THAT I QUIT FOR SHE'S IN HIGH SCHOOL NOW AND SHE'S DOING A LOT ON HER OWN AND NOT PAYING MUCH ATTENTION TO HER MOM.
AND MY SON IS 20 AND THEY'RE LIVING THEIR OWN LIVES, AND I WANTED TO GET BACK TO A MORE MEANINGFUL PRACTICE.
AND SO I CAME BACK TO MY FIRST LOVE EDUCATION LAW, EDUCATION EDUCATION LAW WAS ACTUALLY MY SECOND CAREER. I BEGAN AS A SCHOOL COUNSELOR IN NEWBURY COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT GOT INVOLVED IN SOME SPECIAL EDUCATION LITIGATION THERE AND DISCOVERED THERE WAS SUCH A THING AS EDUCATION ATTORNEYS AND EDUCATION LAW.
AND SO I'VE BEEN BACK IN EDUCATION SINCE 2020.
I WAS WORKING AS A HEARING OFFICER AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, CONTRACTING WITH THEM ON SOME OF THEIR TEACHER DISMISSAL CASES, SOME OF THE UNPROFESSIONAL CONDUCT CASES.
AND THEN THIS OPENING CAME AT THE SCHOOL BOARDS ASSOCIATION.
THEY ASKED ME TO COME AND HELP OUT.
I THOUGHT I COME HELP OUT AND AND I LOVE IT.
IT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM ME BEING ON THIS SIDE AND THE POLICY AND LEGAL DEPARTMENT VERSUS BEING ON THE OTHER SIDE AND REPRESENTING SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
I GET TO BE AROUND SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS, WHICH I LOVE.
I GET TO BE AROUND CHILDREN, WHICH I LOVE, AND I'M BACK TO WHAT I THINK OF AS THE MOST MEANINGFUL WORK THAT ANY OF US CAN DO, AND THAT'S EDUCATING STUDENTS IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
SO IT IS MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT AND TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON ROBERT'S RULES.
LET ME REMIND YOU ALL THAT THIS IS A BASIC LEVEL ROBERT'S RULES COURSE.
AND SO WE WILL JUST BE COVERING THAT FIRST LEVEL OF INSTRUCTION.
AND THEN IF YOU GUYS NEED SOMETHING FURTHER, WE CAN COME BACK AND DO THAT LATER.
BUT THIS IS THE BASIC LEVEL INSTRUCTION.
[Board Work Study Session]
SO THESE ARE THE TWO RESOURCES THAT I RECOMMEND, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT YOU SHOULD GET INTO YOUR LIBRARY AND THIS IS THE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.THIS IS A 12TH EDITION AND THEN THE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER AND BRIEF, WHICH I USE, AND THEY'RE UP TO THE THIRD EDITION ON THAT ONE.
THIS IS A COVER OF THE COPY, SO YOU KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
THESE ARE REALLY GOOD HANDY REFERENCES, THE YELLOW ONE, THE ONE IN BRIEF, IS A REALLY QUICK TOOL WHEN YOU GET THAT QUESTION.
YOU CAN GO STRAIGHT TO THE INDEX.
IT'S VERY USER FRIENDLY AND IT'S WRITTEN IN BASIC, ORDINARY EVERYDAY LANGUAGE THAT ANYONE CAN UNDERSTAND.
SO I RECOMMEND THOSE TWO RESOURCES IF YOU DON'T HAVE THEM AND IF YOU WANT TO UP ON UP ON YOUR PARLIAMENTARY SKILLS.
SO OVERALL, THE BOARD SHOULD STRIVE TO CONDUCT BUSINESS IN AN OPEN AND PUBLIC MANNER, BUT ALSO IN AN ORGANIZED AND ORDERLY MANNER.
SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT OPERATING WITHIN THE SUNSHINE AND FOIA AND EVERYTHING THAT IT REQUIRES, NOT ONLY SHOULD YOU BE TRANSPARENT, BUT YOU SHOULD ALSO BE CONDUCTING THE BUSINESS OF THE BOARD IN THE MOST EFFICIENT, ORGANIZED MANNER POSSIBLE.
AND THAT'S WHERE ROBERT'S RULES COMES IN.
SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE INGREDIENTS THAT YOU NEED FOR SUCCESS.
AND THESE ARE ALL DIFFERENT TOPICS THAT CAN REALLY HAVE THEIR OWN TRAINING SESSION.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO INTO DEPTH UNTIL ALL OF THEM, BUT THIS IS THE OVERALL MAKEUP OF AN EFFECTIVE MEETING.
YOU HAVE LEADERSHIP, RESPECT, PROPER PROCEDURES, TIME MANAGEMENT, GOVERNING AUTHORITY, YOUR AGENDA, SOUTH CAROLINA FOIA.
WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE PROPER PROCEDURES, MOSTLY TONIGHT.
IN ORDER TO HAVE AN EFFECTIVE MEETING AND ONE THAT RUNS SMOOTHLY UNDER THE RULES, YOU NEED YOUR PRESIDING OFFICER TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT PERSON'S ROLE IS, DR.
BRADLEY, THAT WOULD BE YOU, BOARD CHAIR.
THE BOARD CHAIR IS THERE TO FACILITATE MEETINGS, PROVIDE STRONG LEADERSHIP, DEMAND PROPER CONDUCT WHEN IT'S NECESSARY, INTERVENE WHEN IT'S NECESSARY TO TREAT EVERYONE FAIRLY, REMAIN IMPARTIAL AND TACTFUL, RULE ON EVERY POINT OF ORDER BECAUSE RULINGS CAN BE APPEALED. BE SENSITIVE TO TIMING AND MOVE AND ELIMINATE CONFUSION, SO THIS IS THE PRESIDING OFFICERS ROLE AS IT RELATES TO ROBERT'S RULES TO KEEP YOUR MEETING GOING IN AN EFFICIENT MANNER.
WHENEVER THE BOARD IS ACTING, YOU START WITH THESE AUTHORITIES SO THAT YOU KNOW, THE HIERARCHY AND WHAT IT IS YOU SHOULD BE RELYING ON AS YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS.
SOMETIMES YOU WILL BE MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON STATE STATUTES.
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SOMETIMES YOU WILL BE MAKING THEM BASED ON REGULATIONS.AND YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS CHANGE EVERY GENERAL SESSION.
SOMETIMES YOU DON'T HAVE A STATUTE OR REGULATION NECESSARILY ON POINT, BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE CASE LAW THAT'S BEEN DECIDED EITHER BY A STATE COURT OR FEDERAL DISTRICT COURT, OR SOMETIMES OUR U.S. SUPREME COURT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR BOARD POLICY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN LINE WITH STATE STATUTE, FEDERAL STATUTE, U.S.
SUPREME COURT CASES THOSE NEED TO BE UPDATED PERIODICALLY TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE STILL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CURRENT LAW.
AND THEN UNDER BOARD POLICY, YOU WILL HAVE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, AND I'LL PUT THE 12TH EDITION BECAUSE THAT'S THE MOST RECENT ONE.
AND YOUR POLICY? YOU HAVE A COPY IN YOUR FOLDER THAT I GAVE YOU.
THIS IS YOUR BOARD POLICY BEDD RULES OF ORDER.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR BOARD POLICY BEDD, YOU WILL SEE THAT YOUR PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE IS SUPPOSED TO BE GUIDED BY THE LATEST EDITION OF ROBERT'S RULES AND ORDER.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO GOVERN ALL MATTERS NOT COVERED BY THE RULES OF THE BOARD, SO ANYTHING THAT'S NOT COVERED IN POLICY ROBERT'S RULES IS YOUR DEFAULT PURSUANT TO YOUR BOARD POLICY BEDD.
FOR YOUR MEETING TO BE EFFECTIVE, AND THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT SUGGESTED BY ROBERT'S RULES, IS THAT YOU NEED TO BEGIN ON TIME, WHICH WE DID TODAY.
WE BEGAN A LITTLE BIT EARLY, SO WE'RE AHEAD OF THE GAME.
BE ORGANIZED, MAINTAIN ORDER AND PROVIDE STRONG LEADERSHIP.
YOU HAVE TO SPEAK ONLY AFTER BEING RECOGNIZED BY YOUR CHAIR OR YOUR PRESIDING OFFICER IF YOUR CHAIR IS NOT HERE, THEN IT WOULD BE YOUR VICE CHAIR, ACCORDING TO YOUR BOARD POLICY.
RECOGNIZE EVERY MEMBER WHO REQUEST TO BE HEARD.
THAT'S THE DUTY OF THE CHAIR OR THE PRESIDING OFFICER TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD ONE TIME BEFORE YOU GET YOUR SECOND TIME AROUND.
SOMETIMES THAT'S HARD TO MANAGE, BUT IT'S EVERYBODY'S ROLE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
RAISE A POINT OF ORDER IF YOU FEEL THAT A FELLOW BOARD MEMBER IS FAILING TO OPERATE WITHIN THE RULES AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT POINT OF ORDERS IN MORE DETAIL AS WE GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
BUT RAISING A POINT OF ORDER IS EVERY BOARD MEMBERS RIGHT AND EVERY BOARD MEMBER'S RESPONSIBILITY. THE PRESIDING OFFICERS SHOULD RULE ON EVERY POINT OF ORDER.
AND ONE THING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
ONE MOTION AT A TIME AND THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SPEND OUR FOCUS TONIGHT ON MOTIONS.
ONE PERSON AT A TIME, ONE MOTION AT A TIME.
YOU SHOULD END MEETINGS AT A REASONABLE TIME BECAUSE AFTER SO LONG, JUST HONESTLY, THEY JUST AREN'T EFFECTIVE AND YOU AREN'T GETTING ANYTHING DONE.
PEOPLE ARE IRRITATED, FRUSTRATED, THEY'RE NOT RECEPTIVE TO THE INFORMATION AND YOU'RE DOING THEIR BOARD AND THE STUDENTS OF YOUR DISTRICT A DISSERVICE WHEN YOU CONTINUE PAST THAT POINT. REMAIN IMPARTIAL AND TACTFUL.
THIS IS JUST TO SAY YOU SHOULD NOT BE LETTING YOUR PERSONAL FEELINGS GUIDE EVERY SINGLE DECISION, YOU'RE HUMAN BEINGS SO YOUR PERSONAL FEELINGS WILL HAVE SOME ROLE AS YOU HEAR INFORMATION AND AS YOU MAKE DETERMINATIONS, BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT YOU.
WHEN YOU'RE SITTING IN THOSE SEATS, IT SHOULD BE ABOUT WHO YOU'RE HERE FOR THE STUDENTS OF THE DISTRICT. SO THESE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MOTIONS, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR MAIN MOTION, MAIN MOTIONS INTRODUCE A NEW SUBJECT FOR DISCUSSION AND ACTION TO INTRODUCE THE MAIN MOTION.
IT IS PROPER FOR YOU TO SAY I MOVE THAT OR I PROPOSE THAT.
SOMETIMES YOU WILL HEAR PEOPLE SAY I MOTION THAT IS NOT REALLY WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY, BUT IT'S OK.
MAIN MOTIONS ARE AMENDABLE AND DEBATABLE, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE OPEN FOR A DISCUSSION.
THEY MUST BE MOVED, THEY REQUIRE A SECOND AND IT NEEDS TO BE STATED BY THE CHAIR BEFORE IT CAN BE DISCUSSED. NOW YOU'LL HEAR ME SAY THAT OVER AND OVER.
LOTS OF TIMES WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS SOMETIMES THE CHAIR OF THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL FORGET TO STATE THE MOTION AND THEN YOU ONCE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY A LOT OF DEBATE AND DISCUSSION, WHEN IT'S TIME TO ACTUALLY VOTE, YOU'LL FORGET WHAT IT IS YOU'RE ACTUALLY VOTING ON.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PRESIDING OFFICER TO ACTUALLY RESTATE WHATEVER THE MATTER IS SO THAT WHEN IT'S TIME TO CAST YOUR VOTE, EVERYONE IS CLEAR EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE VOTING FOR OR AGAINST.
I'M NOT INTO ALL OF THE ANIMATED PART, BUT MY PARALEGAL HAS A GOOD TIME WITH ALL OF THAT.
SO WHEN THINGS START SWIRLING AND WHIRLING, JUST FORGIVE ME.
SECONDARY MOTION HELPS THE BOARD DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH A MAIN MOTION AND ENABLES MORE THAN ONE MOTION TO BE PENDING AT A TIME.
AND THERE ARE THREE CATEGORIES OF THESE SECONDARY MOTIONS, AND WE WERE GOING TO THOSE IN
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DETAIL SO YOU CAN HAVE EXAMPLES OF WHAT THEY ARE AND THEY DON'T LOOK SO ABSTRACT.BUT THE THREE CATEGORIES WOULD BE SUBSIDIARY MOTIONS, PRIVILEGE MOTIONS AND INCIDENTAL MOTIONS. SO STARTING WITH SUBSIDIARY MOTIONS, THESE ASSIST AND TREATING OR DISPOSING OF A MAIN MOTION, SO THEY GO HAND IN HAND WITH THE MAIN MOTIONS.
THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF SUBSIDIARY MOTIONS.
A MOTION TO POSTPONE INDEFINITELY, WHICH YOU WERE REALLY ONLY USED IF YOU WANTED SOMETHING TO DIE. POSTPONE INDEFINITELY MEANS WE'RE NEVER GOING TO BRING IT BACK AGAIN.
SOMEONE MADE A CRAZY RECOMMENDATION AND WE DON'T WANT TO EVER HAVE TO DISCUSS IT.
AND SO SOME WILL MOVE TO POSTPONE IT INDEFINITELY.
IT GETS A SECOND. YOU VOTE ON IT, AND THAT MEANS IT'S NOT COMING BACK.
A MOTION TO AMEND, WHICH IS USED QUITE OFTEN AND WE WILL GO INTO AN EXERCISE ON AMENDING A MOTION, A MOTION TO COMMIT OR REFER.
AND THAT'S WHEN YOU NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION OR AS A SUBJECT MATTER THAT YOU WANT SOMEONE TO DO A DEEP DIVE INTO SO THEN YOU WOULD COMMIT IT OR REFER IT TO A COMMITTEE.
A MOTION TO POSTPONE TO A CERTAIN TIME, AND THAT IS YOU'RE NOT READY TO DEAL WITH IT YET, YOU DON'T WANT TO THROW IT AWAY, SO YOU WOULD SET A CERTAIN TIME AND A DIFFERENT MEETING OR LATER ON IN THE MEETING, TWO MEETINGS FROM NOW.
BUT A CERTAIN TIME TO COME BACK, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE DOING RESEARCH.
MAYBE IT MAY BE A STAFF MEMBER, BUT THE BOARD IS NEEDING MORE INFORMATION BEFORE IT CAN ADEQUATELY MAKE A DECISION ON THE MATTER.
A MOTION TO LIMIT OR EXTEND LIMITS OF DEBATE AND THAT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU HAVE A MATTER THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY CONTROVERSIAL.
AND YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IS GOING TO HAVE AN HOUR THAT THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE AN HOUR TO GIVE IT.
SO THE BOARD MAY DECIDE UP FRONT TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF TIME EACH BOARD MEMBER HAS TO COMMENT OR SPEAK ON, AND YOU MAY DECIDE THREE MINUTES TOPS.
THERE ARE NINE OF US. THIS IS A BIG BOARD.
THERE ARE NINE OF YOU. YOU MAY DECIDE THAT YOU ONLY WANT TO GIVE IT THREE MINUTES PER BOARD MEMBER OR FIVE MINUTES PER BOARD MEMBER.
BUT YOU KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE AN HOUR FOR EVERYONE TO STAND ON THEIR SOAPBOX ABOUT IT.
A MOTION FOR THE PREVIOUS QUESTION, THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE TIRED OF TALKING ABOUT IT.
SOMEONE MOVES THE PREVIOUS QUESTION, THAT MEANS LET'S BRING IT BACK UP.
LET'S RESTATE IT, MR. CHAIR, AND LET'S VOTE.
AND THEN A MOTION TO LAY ON THE TABLE.
NOW, A MOTION TO LAY ON THE TABLE IS OFTEN CONFUSED WITH A MOTION TO POSTPONE TO A CERTAIN TIMES. LOTS OF TIMES I WILL SEE BOARDS USE A MOTION TO LAY ON THE TABLE WHEN WHAT THEY REALLY NEEDED WAS A MOTION TO POSTPONE FOR A CERTAIN TIME, A MOTION TO LAY ON THE TABLE IS REALLY ONLY APPROPRIATELY USED, IF YOU'RE IN A MEETING AND YOU'RE DEALING WITH A MATTER AND THERE MAY BE SOME EMERGENCY THAT'S COME UP AND YOU NEED TO STOP, OR MAYBE YOU HAVE A SPEAKER COMING IN AND THAT SPEAKER IS COMING IN A CERTAIN TIME AND THEY'VE GOT TO BE ON AN AIRPLANE BY A DIFFERENT TIME.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO CONTINUE YOUR PENDING ISSUE BECAUSE YOU NEED TO GET THAT MATTER RESOLVED SO YOU CAN STAY ON SCHEDULE.
SO IN THAT INSTANCE, YOU WOULD USE A MOTION TO LAY ON THE TABLE AND YOU WILL LAY ON THE TABLE, WHATEVER IT IS YOU'RE DEALING WITH, RIGHT THEN TO HANDLE THE MATTER THAT NEEDS YOUR IMMEDIATE ATTENTION.
NOW A MOTION TO LAY ON THE TABLE ONCE IT'S SECONDED AND THE BOARD AGREES TO DO IT, YOU WILL NEED A MOTION TO PICK UP FROM THE TABLE IN ORDER TO TAKE THAT MATTER BACK UP.
IT DOESN'T COME BACK UP AUTOMATICALLY, AND IF IT DOESN'T GET TAKEN BACK UP BY THE NEXT MEETING, THEN IT DIES.
I'M HAPPY TO EMAIL AN ELECTRONIC COPY TO YOUR ADMINISTRATOR SO SHE CAN...
SOMETHING AD NAUSEUM, YOU'RE SIMPLY SICK OF TALKING ABOUT IT AND YOU'RE READY, SOMEONE IS READY FOR A VOTE.
AND SO WHAT THAT PERSON WILL DO IS THEY WILL MAKE A MOTION OR THEY WILL MOVE THE PREVIOUS QUESTION. AND THAT IS FOR THE PRESIDING OFFICER TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE HE RESTATES THE QUESTION, HE OR SHE RESTATES THE QUESTION SO THAT THE MEMBERS CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH VOTING ON IT.
APPROPRIATELY USED IF THE DISCUSSION HAS JUST BEEN GOING ON AND ON AND ON AND YOU'RE READY TO CALL A QUIT.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ABUSED.
TRY REALLY HARD NOT TO ABUSE IT BECAUSE WHAT IT DOES IS IT LIMITS THE DISCUSSION AND IT IT CUTS OFF THE DISCUSSION.
AND SO YOU DEFINITELY NEED A MAJORITY VOTE IN ORDER FOR THAT TO PASS, BECAUSE THAT'S LIMITING BOARD MEMBERS ABILITY TO SPEAK.
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BUT YES, YOU CAN.WHEN THE SECOND IS THERE AND THE DISCUSSION IS GOING ON AGAIN, IT'S MOST APPROPRIATELY USED WHEN THE DISCUSSION HAS JUST BEEN GOING ON AND ON.
OH, AND BEFORE I LEAVE THERE, DON'T MOTION TO LAY ON THE TABLE WHEN YOU REALLY ONLY WANT TO POSTPONE TO A CERTAIN TIME BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE FORGET TO PICK IT BACK UP OFF THE TABLE. SO IF YOU'RE NEEDING MORE INFORMATION FROM A STAFF MEMBER OR YOU JUST SIMPLY WANT MORE TIME TO REVIEW SOMETHING AND DELIBERATE ON IT.
YOU WANT TO POSTPONE THAT MOTION TO A CERTAIN TIME AND THEN YOU SET THE DATE AND YOU SET THE TIME YOU SET THE MEETING, BUT DON'T LAY IT ON THE TABLE, IF THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU REALLY MEANT TO DO.
LAYING SOMETHING ON THE TABLE REALLY MEANS YOU MEAN TO PICK IT BACK UP BEFORE YOU END THAT MEETING. YOU'RE JUST DEALING WITH SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH RIGHT NOW.
PRIVILEGE MOTIONS NOW THESE DON'T RELATE TO PENDING BUSINESS.
THESE ARE SPECIAL MATTERS WITH IMMEDIATE AND OVERRIDING IMPORTANCE.
THESE ARE WITHOUT DEBATE AND THEY ARE ALLOWED TO INTERRUPT WHATEVER IS PENDING.
AND SO SOME PRIVILEGE MOTIONS WOULD BE CALLED FOR THE ORDERS OF THE DAY.
AND I TRY TO PUT AN EXPLANATION IN PARENTHESES BECAUSE SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE NOT SELF-EXPLANATORY AT ALL.
CALL FOR THE ORDERS OF THE DAY MEANS YOU WANT TO ENFORCE A SET SCHEDULE.
AND SO THAT'S WHEN A BOARD MEMBER HAS NOTICED THAT YOU'RE PRESIDING OFFICER HAS MAYBE GOTTEN OFF TASK AND MAYBE NOT FOLLOWING THE SCHEDULE OR THE AGENDA THAT YOU'VE ADOPTED.
AND SO TO BRING THAT TO THE PRESIDING OFFICER ATTENTION, YOU WILL A MOTION TO CALL FOR THE ORDERS OF THE DAY. AND THAT BASICALLY MEANS LET'S GET BACK ON TRACK.
YOU CAN RAISE A QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE, AND THAT IS STATING AN URGENT REQUEST OR MOTION, A POINT OF PRIVILEGE, YOU SEE THAT MISUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE RAISE POINTS OF PRIVILEGES AND SOMETIMES I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE NOT UNDERSTANDING WHEN THEY DO IT.
BUT THIS IS APPROPRIATELY USED.
IF SOMETHING HAS COME UP IN A, UM, MAYBE SOMEONE NOTICE THAT IT GOT WAY TOO HOT IN HERE AND THEY NEED TO GET THE TEMPERATURE ADJUSTED IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ARE COUGHING OR SOMEONE SEEMS TO BE LACKING AIR.
YOU WERE RAISED A POINT OF PRIVILEGE TO HAVE THE HVAC SYSTEM ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY.
YOU WERE MOVED A MOTION TO RECESS IF YOU NEED AN INTERMISSION, SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, THINGS COME UP AND YOU NEED TO STOP.
YOU DON'T WANT TO ADJOURN THE MEETING, YOU DON'T WANT TO END IT, BUT YOU NEED TO TAKE A SHORT BREAK OR SHORT RECESS.
THAT'S WHAT THAT MOTION IS FOR.
AND THEN A MOTION TO ADJOURN, WHICH MEANS YOU ARE IN FACT CLOSING THE MEETING ENTIRELY.
AND WHEN YOU DO THIS, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED YOUR NEXT MEETING TIME BEFORE YOU DO IT. IT COULD BE YOUR NEXT REGULARLY CALL MEETING, THAT'S FINE IF THAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED, BUT IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE AND YOU AND YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO GO TO A SPECIAL CALL MEETING OR SOMETHING IN THE INTERIM, THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE ESTABLISHED BEFORE YOU FINISH WITH THAT MOTION TO ADJOURN.
AND THEN FIX THE TIME TO WHICH FIX THE TIME TO WHICH TO ADJOURN IS HOW ROBERT'S RULES STATES, IT'S REALLY WEIRD, AND THAT'S PICKING TIME FOR ANOTHER MEETING ON A PENDING BUSINESS BEFORE YOUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE ESTABLISHING THE TIME FOR A WORK SESSION THAT YOU MIGHT NEED OR A SPECIAL CALL MEETING.
INCIDENTAL MOTIONS RELATE TO PENDING BUSINESS.
THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE INCIDENTAL MOTIONS POINT OF ORDER.
ANY MEMBER CAN USE THIS TO ENFORCE A RULE.
THE CHAIR MUST MAKE A RULING ON THE QUESTION INVOLVED.
THE CHAIR DOES HAVE AN OPTION TO SUBMIT IT TO THE JUDGMENT OF THE ASSEMBLY.
AND THE WAY THAT YOU RULE ON A POINT OF ORDER IS THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL HEAR THE INFORMATION AND THEY WILL EITHER RULE BY SAYING POINT WELL TAKEN OR POINT NOT WELL TAKEN.
SO THIS GOES BACK BEFORE WHEN I WAS SAYING THAT IT'S EVERY BOARD MEMBERS RIGHTS AND REALLY YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MOVE POINTS OF ORDER BECAUSE IT'S EVERYONE'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE YOUR MEETING IS MOVING AND EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE MANNER.
AND IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CONTROL OVER THE NATURE OF THE MEETING.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER, YOUR CHAIR HAS THE FINAL SAY, BUT IT'S EVERYONE'S DUTY TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE DONE IN DECENCY AND IN ORDER.
SO YOU CAN REQUEST ASSISTANCE FROM YOUR BOARD ATTORNEY, IF YOU GUYS ARE SET UP THAT WAY,
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NOT EVERY BOARD IS SET UP TO REACH OUT TO THE BOARD ATTORNEY FOR MATTERS LIKE THAT, SOME OR SOME BOARDS ARE SET UP THAT THEIR ATTORNEYS ARE THERE TO GUIDE THEM ON PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE, AND THEY'VE CONTRACTED THAT OUT WITH THEIR ATTORNEYS.SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR SETUP IS WITH YOUR ATTORNEY, WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN DO THAT.
BUT IF YOU'RE SET UP WITH YOUR ATTORNEY TO DO THAT, YOU'RE NOT OUT OF ORDER TO DO SO.
YOU CAN ALSO MAKE THE DECISION ON YOUR OWN.
IS THE CHAIR'S RIGHT TO MAKE THE DECISION ON A POINT OF ORDER.
YOU ALSO, AS THE CHAIR, HAVE AN OPTION TO GIVE IT TO YOUR WHOLE ASSEMBLY OR YOUR MEMBERSHIP AND SAY, WHAT DOES EVERYONE ELSE THINK ABOUT IT? AND THEN YOU CAN.
THEY CAN. YOU GUYS CAN VOTE ON IT.
IF YOU RULE ON THE POINT OF ORDER AND YOUR MEMBERS DON'T AGREE, THEN THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO MOVE TO APPEAL YOUR DECISION.
YES. AND THAT WOULD BE A MOTION TO APPEAL THE DECISION ON THE POINT OF ORDER.
YOU SORT OF ANSWER MY QUESTION.
IF THE ORIGINAL PERSON WHO BRINGS THE POINT OF ORDER UP, CAN THEY SAY, I DON'T? I'LL BRING UP POINTS OF ORDER EVERY NOW AND THEN AND I THROW IT TO THE CHAIR.
BUT COULD I SAY I WANT THE WHOLE ASSEMBLY TO RULE ON THIS, OR HE'S THE ONE THAT MAKES THAT DECISION? NO, YOU CAN'T SAY IT.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAKES THAT DECISION.
SO WHEN YOU RAISE YOUR IN A POINT OF ORDER IS NOT DEBATABLE UNLESS THE CHAIR GIVES IT TO THE ASSEMBLY. WHEN I SAY NOT DEBATABLE, I DON'T MEAN YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY YOU'RE RAISING A POINT OF ORDER. SO THE PERSON MAKING MOVING THE POINT OF ORDER, THEY CAN SAY WHAT THEIR POINT IS AND THEY CAN EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS.
AND THEN THE CHAIR EITHER MAKES A DECISION.
IF THEY HAVE AN ATTORNEY AVAILABLE TO HELP THEM, THEY CAN DO THAT.
OR THE CHAIR CAN SAY, I WANT TO GIVE IT TO THE ASSEMBLY TO DECIDE.
AND IF HE GIVES IT TO THE ASSEMBLY OR TO THE BOARD TO DECIDE, THEN YOU GUYS WILL DEBATE IT BEFORE YOU VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT THE POINT OF ORDER SHOULD BE WELL TAKEN OR NOT WELL TAKEN. AND IF I DISAGREE, AND IF YOU, THEN I CAN MOVE TO APPEAL.
ANY TWO MEMBERS UPON MOVEMENT AND A SECOND SO YOU CAN MOVE TO APPEAL.
BUT IF NOBODY SECONDS YOU, THEN YOU'RE NOT MOVING.
YEAH, DEAD IN THE WATER. YEAH, YEAH.
ALL RIGHT. YEAH. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED SOME CLARITY.
AND IT TAKES A MAJORITY VOTE TO OVERTURN WHAT THAT WHAT THE CHAIR'S DECISION WAS ON THE POINT OF ORDER. THERE IS A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES.
TRY REALLY HARD NOT TO DO THAT.
BUT SOMETIMES IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, IT'S NECESSARY.
MOST BOARDS, NOT ALL, BUT MOST BOARDS HAVE IN THEIR POLICY THAT THEY REQUIRE TWO READINGS BEFORE THEY ADOPT A NEW POLICY OR RESCIND A POLICY DURING COVID.
A LOT OF BOARDS HAD TO ACT REALLY FAST, AND THEY DID NOT NECESSARILY HAVE ENOUGH TIME BETWEEN TWO BOARD MEETINGS, DEPENDING ON HOW THEIR BOARD MEETINGS WERE SET UP IF THEY WERE ONCE A MONTH AND NOT TWICE A MONTH TO GET ALL OF THEIR POLICIES UPDATED TO RESPOND TO COVID. AND SO DURING THAT TIME, YOU WILL SEE THAT MANY BOARDS SUSPENDED THAT RULE ON TWO READINGS AND CHANGED IT TO ONE READING IN ORDER TO MORE QUICKLY GET THEIR POLICIES UPDATED. SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHEN YOU WOULD SUSPEND THE RULES.
UM, YOU MOTION TO OBJECTION TO CONSIDERATION OF A QUESTION, SO SOMETIMES MATTERS GET RAISED OR ISSUES GET RAISED, AND A BOARD MEMBER MAY FEEL LIKE IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS IT IN PUBLIC SESSION, OR THEY MAY FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST AN INAPPROPRIATE TOPIC AND SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BE DECIDED BY THE BOARD.
WHATEVER HAVE YOU, A MOTION DOES EXIST TO OBJECT TO CONSIDERATION OF A QUESTION.
THEN THERE IS THE VISION OF A QUESTION, THERE'S A MOTION FOR THAT, AND THAT IS WHEN YOU HAVE A PENDING MAIN MOTION, OR IT COULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO WITH TWO PARTS THAT CAN STAND AS SEPARATE QUESTIONS AND YOU WILL SEE THE ISSUES.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL RAISE A QUESTION AND IT'S KIND OF THREE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THAN ONE, JUST BY THE WAY, THEY STATED.
AND SO WHEN YOU FIND YOURSELF IN THAT SITUATION SO THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT CONFUSED ABOUT EACH ASPECT OF THE QUESTION AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO HANDLE EACH ASPECT, IT'S BETTER SOMETIMES TO DIVIDE IT UP AND TAKE IT IN A PART A AND A PART B, RATHER THAN TRYING TO HANDLE THE WHOLE THING AT ONE TIME IF IT'S STATED IN SUCH A WAY.
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AND THEN YOU HAVE DIVISION OF THE ASSEMBLY.THERE'S A MOTION FOR THAT, AND THIS ENSURES THAT THE ACCURACY OF THE RESULTS OF A VOICE OR A HAND VOTE ARE DONE.
AND SO. SOMETIMES WHEN YOU IF YOU ARE, IF YOU AGREE, RESPOND WITH, AYE, NO, NAY.
SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO HEAR, SOMETIMES YOU GET CONFUSED ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE, IF YOU'RE BOARD DOESN'T DO IT ELECTRONICALLY AND PRESS THE BUTTON TO VOTE.
AND SO THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD USE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE VOTE IS ACCURATE, ACCURATELY REFLECTED IN THE MINUTES.
THEN THERE'S MOTIONS RELATED TO METHODS OF VOTING.
YOU CAN MOTION TO REQUEST THE BALLOT FOR SOMETHING ROLL CALL OR COUNTED STANDING VOTE.
LOTS OF TIMES BOARDS HAVE IN THEIR POLICY HOW THEY WILL VOTE.
AND THEN MOTIONS RELATING TO NOMINATIONS, I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD REALLY APPLY TO YOU ALL. I'M JUST I JUST HAVE IT THERE SO YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT KINDS, BUT I THINK YOU'RE BOARD POLICY SETS OUT HOW YOU GUYS NOMINATE YOUR OFFICERS.
AND THEN THERE'S A THING CALLED RESTORATIVE MOTIONS, THE RESTORATIVE MOTIONS, THESE BRAIN QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED BACK BEFORE THE ASSEMBLY OR BACK BEFORE THE BOARD AND I USE THE WORD ASSEMBLY BECAUSE ROBERT RULES USES ASSEMBLY BECAUSE IT APPLIES TO SCHOOL BOARDS, ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF ORGANIZATIONS.
AND SO THEY JUST USE ASSEMBLY AS A GENERAL TERM, BUT RESTORATIVE MOTIONS OR MOTIONS TO TAKE FROM THE TABLE.
YOU REMEMBER I SAID, IF YOU MOTION TO LAY SOMETHING ON THE TABLE, THEN YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A MOTION TO PICK IT BACK UP, A MOTION TO RESCIND.
AND THAT'S CANCELING SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED, ADOPTED AND THAT HAS CONTINUUM FORCE IN EFFECT. AND YOU WILL MOST LIKELY SEE THAT WHEN YOU WERE ASCENDING BOARD POLICIES THAT ARE NO LONGER APPLICABLE TO YOU.
TO AMEND SOMETHING PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED, YOU WILL SEE THIS WHEN AFTER YOU'VE ADOPTED SOMETHING AND YOU LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER AND YOU MAY DECIDE ON, MAYBE THAT WASN'T WORDED THE BEST WAY, OR MAYBE THIS NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, OR MAYBE FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT'S JUST NOT SUCCINCT.
AND SO YOU COULD DO A MOTION TO AMEND SOMETHING PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED AND CHANGE THE WORDING OR THE TEXT IN IT TO JUST MAKE IT CLEAR.
A MOTION TO DISCHARGE A COMMITTEE, AND THIS IS WHEN YOU'VE YOU'VE ASSIGNED A COMMITTEE, A TASK AND THEY'RE DONE WITH IT, YOU CAN DO A MOTION TO DISCHARGE THAT COMMITTEE TO BREAK IT UP, BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT IF THERE HAS, YOU CAN ONLY DO IT WHEN THERE'S NOT BEEN A FINAL REPORT ON IT OR YOU WANT TO TAKE THE MATTER AWAY FROM THE COMMITTEE.
YOU WANT TO DROP THE MATTER A PERIOD BECAUSE YOU DON'T EVEN WANT TO CONSIDER IT ANYMORE.
AS A BOARD, YOU'RE JUST YOU DECIDED TO PUNT AND GO A DIFFERENT GO, A DIFFERENT WAY.
OR YOU DECIDED YOU DON'T WANT A COMMITTEE TO HANDLE IT.
YOU WANT IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S LOOKED AT BY THE ENTIRE BOARD.
SO FOR ANY OF THOSE REASONS, YOU CAN DISCHARGE A COMMITTEE.
AND THEN THERE IS A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, AND THIS IS THE SAME SESSION MOTION, THIS HAPPENS THE SAME SESSION THE MOTION IS VOTED ON, BUT NO LATER THAN THIS, THEN THE SAME DAY OR NEXT DAY IN WHICH A BUSINESS MEETING IS HELD.
SO WHEN I SAY SESSIONS, THIS IS LIKE, SAY, FOR INSTANCE, YOU'RE IN A RETREAT, THAT'S A TWO DAY RETREAT.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT SESSIONS WHERE YOU'RE COVERING DIFFERENT THINGS OVER THE COURSE OF A COUPLE OF DAYS.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY SESSIONS.
SOMETIMES BOARDS WILL HAVE MULTIPLE DAY RETREATS.
YOU WILL SEE THIS WHEN YOU ATTEND SCHOOL BOARD ASSOCIATION EVENTS.
YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY GO OVER THE COURSE OF A COUPLE OF DAYS AND YOU HAVE DIFFERENT SESSIONS. SO THAT'S WHAT THE SESSIONS IS REFERRING TO WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE DAY EVENTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS DO TWO DAY RETREATS, DO YOU ALL? SOME BOARDS DO, THEY'LL DO FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, AND SO THEY'LL HAVE DIFFERENT SESSIONS THROUGHOUT. NEW INFORMATION OR CHANGE SITUATION MAY REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE MOTION TO RECONSIDER AND ORDER TO HAVE THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER, THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN MOVE FOR SOMETHING TO BE RECONSIDERED IS A BOARD MEMBER THAT WAS ON THE PREVAILING SIDE OF THAT MOTION. SO IF YOU LOST THE FIRST GO AROUND, THEN YOU CANNOT MOVE TO RECONSIDER.
THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT, YOU HAD TO HAVE WON THE FIRST TIME.
YES. JUST JUST TO CLARIFY ON THE LAST WE DON'T DO, WE'VE NOT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, HAD A TWO DAY ANYTHING.
WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD YOU WOULD HAVE THE SAME SESSION THAT'S ON DAY TWO IS THAT I CAN'T I CAN'T ENVISION A SCENARIO WHERE WE'RE DONE AT FIVE OR SEE AT 8:00 TOMORROW, AND WE'RE NOT. IS THAT LIKE, DOES THAT HAPPEN A LOT? WELL, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN A LOT, BUT IT HAPPENS DURING BOARD RETREATS WHEN THERE ARE, SO MAYBE THE ISSUE WAS RAISED ON THE FIRST DAY THAT YOU WERE CONSIDERING AS A BOARD AND
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SOMEONE WASN'T READY TO VOTE SO OR OR YOU DID VOTE, BUT SOMEONE DIDN'T FEEL SO GOOD ABOUT THEIR VOTE, OR THEY DIDN'T FEEL SO GOOD ABOUT THE LANGUAGE YOU GUYS ADOPTED DURING THE FIRST VOTE. AND THEN SO ON THE SECOND DAY, THEY COULD BRING IT BACK UP.OKAY, THANK YOU. SO NOW LET'S MOVE INTO THAT MOTIONS PRACTICE, ADOPTING MOTIONS.
SO THERE ARE SIX STEPS TO ADOPTING A MOTION, AND YOU WANT TO REMEMBER THAT.
AS YOU'RE DOING THIS AND THE MORE YOU DO IT AND YOU KEEP IN MIND THE SIX STEPS, THE MORE YOU WON'T EVEN HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT.
AND YOU WON'T EVEN HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MISSING STEPS.
BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU AS YOU START OFF OR FROM THIS POINT ON, AS YOU'RE MORE COGNIZANT ABOUT IT TO CHECK AND MAKE SURE ON YOUR NOTEPAD OR WHATEVER YOU GUYS HAVE UP THERE WITH YOU. AS YOU'RE DOING MOTION PRACTICE, CHECK AND SEE THAT EACH ONE OF YOU ALL ARE OR ARE TOUCHING THE SIX STEPS.
SO THE FIRST STEP IS THE BOARD MEMBER MAKES A MOTION.
ANOTHER MEMBER SECONDS THE MOTION, THAT'S THE EASY PART.
THE THIRD STEP, THE CHAIR STAKES THE QUESTION, SOMETIMES THAT GETS MISSED.
FOURTH STEP, MEMBERS DEBATE THE MOTION.
FIFTH STEP, THE CHAIR PUTS THE QUESTION TO A VOTE AND SIX, THE CHAIR ANNOUNCES THE RESULT OF THE VOTE. SO MAKE SURE YOU'RE DOING EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE STEPS.
FOR WHATEVER REASON, CHAIRS TEND TO GENERALLY NOT DO THAT BECAUSE I GUESS IT'S AN EFFORT TO REMAIN IMPARTIAL.
BUT THE CHAIR HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE A MOTION, YES.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CHOOSING THE MASCOT FOR THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL.
OK? THE SUPERINTENDENT REVIEWS THE RESULTS OF THE MASCOT NAMING COMPETITION THAT THE DISTRICT HAD AND SUBMITS "COUGARS" AS A PROPOSED MASCOT.
THE CHAIR WILL THEN SAY, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS MATTER SO WE CAN DISCUSS THIS? SOMETIMES YOUR CHAIR ASK FOR DIFFERENT BOARDS, DO A DIFFERENT WAY.
SOMETIMES YOU WILL SEE THE CHAIR.
AS FOR A MOTION, SOMETIMES THE BOARDS HAS ALREADY DECIDED WHO WILL MOVE OR WHO WILL MAKE THE MOTION. SOMETIMES BOARDS HAVE THE MOTIONS PRE-WRITTEN AND THEY FOLLOW THE SCRIPT.
WHATEVER YOUR BOARD DOES AT THAT POINT, THERE WILL BE A MOTION ON THIS ISSUE.
BOARD MEMBER, FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS SAYS I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE COUGARS AS A MASCOT FOR THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL. THIS SHOULD OCCUR PRIOR TO ANY DISCUSSION.
SO BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT IT, YOU NEED A A MOTION.
BOARD MEMBER FIRST DOWN SAYS I SECOND.
STEP THREE, THE CHAIR WILL THEN STATE THE MATTER SO THAT EVERYONE IS CLEAR ABOUT WHAT IT IS, YOU'RE ABOUT TO DISCUSS.
THIS MATTER BEFORE US IS WHETHER WE SHOULD APPROVE COUGARS AS THE MASCOT FOR THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL. ANY DISCUSSION? BOARD MEMBERS COMMENCED DISCUSSION.
EVERY BOARD MEMBER SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ONE TIME BEFORE ANYONE GETS A SECOND TIME TO SPEAK.
NO, NO LIMIT ALL THE TIMES YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE GETS A FAIR SHOT TO GET THEIR OPINION ON THE TABLE.
AND THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO GO DOWN AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE GETS THAT FIRST CHANCE.
IT APPEARS THAT THE DISCUSSION IS AT AN END.
THIS IS ASSUMING EVERYBODY'S HAD THEIR FIRST TIME TO TALK, AND MAYBE SOME PEOPLE HAVE TALKED A SECOND TIME, BUT EVERYBODY HAS HAD AT LEAST AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY SOMETHING ONE TIME. THE MATTER BEFORE US IS WHETHER WE SHOULD APPROVE COUGARS AS A MASCOT FOR THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL. NOTICE HOW THE CHAIR RESTATED THE QUESTION AGAIN BECAUSE THIS IS RIGHT BEFORE THE VOTE. SO IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THAT DISCUSSION THAT YOU GUYS JUST HAD, SOMEONE MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN EXACTLY WHAT IT IS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE VOTING ON.
SO THIS IS WHEN THE CHAIR GETS TO COME BACK IN AND RESTATE THE MATTER.
THE MATTER BEFORE US IS WHETHER WE SHOULD APPROVE COUGARS AS THE MASCOT FOR THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL. ALL IN FAVOR AYE, ANY OPPOSED NAY.
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STEP SIX, FINAL STEP THE CHAIR COUGAR'S HAS BEEN APPROVED AS A MASCOT WITH SEVEN IN FAVOR AND TWO OPPOSE.SO HE WILL STATE, FOR THE RECORD, WHAT JUST GOT ADOPTED? HOW MANY VOTED FOR, HOW MANY VOTED AGAINST THIS IS FOR THE PURPOSES OF YOUR MINUTES.
BECAUSE YOUR MINUTES SHOULD BE REFLECTING EVERY ACTION OF THE BOARD, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT EVERYTHING EVERYBODY SAYS, BUT THE ACTIONS OF THE BOARD.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CHAIR AT THE END OF AN ADOPTED MOTION OR MOTION THAT FAILED TO KNOW WHAT WAS APPROVED.
HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE FOR AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE AGAINST.
A MOTION TO AMEND CHANGES THE PENDING MOTION BEFORE IT IS ACTED ON, SO BEFORE YOU TAKE THE FINAL VOTE, A MOTION TO AMEND WILL MODIFY THE MAIN MOTION IT REQUIRES A SECOND IS DEBATABLE AND A MOTION TO AMEND IS AMENDABLE SO YOU CAN HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO AN EMOTION, AN AMENDMENT TO AN AMENDMENT, BUT ONLY ONE AMENDMENT TO AN AMENDMENT.
IT MUST BE GERMANE TO THE MAIN MOTION.
MEMBER. A MOTION TO AMEND CAN COME FROM ANYONE.
NO. SO THAT'S THE WHOLE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THING YOU HEAR.
A BOARD MEMBER WHO MAKES A MOTION TO AMEND OWNS THAT AMENDMENT.
THE ORIGINAL MOTION MAKER DOES NOT HAVE TO AGREE WITH IT, AND WE'LL AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO AMEND THIS MOTION SO THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH IT AND PRACTICE IT. SO NO, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A QUOTE UNQUOTE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT, YOU CAN.
THE FIRST MAKER OF THE MOTION DOESN'T HAVE TO AGREE, BUT YOUR AMENDMENT HAS TO BE GERMANE TO THE MOTION, MEANING IT HAS TO DEAL WITH THE MOTION ON THE TABLE AND THE CHAIR MAKES THAT DECISION. WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING IS GERMANE.
IT CAN BE MADE ANY TIME BEFORE THE VOTE ON THE MAIN MOTION.
AND WE'RE GOING TO PRACTICE THAT.
OK. A MOTION TO AMEND CAN BE RECONSIDERED IF ADOPTED, THE PROPOSED CHANGE, THAT AMENDMENT BECOMES PART OF THE PENDING MOTION, SO YOUR AMENDMENT WILL BECOME PART OF THAT MAIN MOTION THAT IS WAITING ON THE AMENDMENT TO GET DECIDED ON.
AND THEN I PUT THAT POINT HERE.
A MAIN MOTION IS LIMITED TO IS LIMITED TO AN AMENDMENT, AN AMENDMENT TO AN AMENDMENT.
IT'S HARD TO SAY ALL THAT, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU WILL SEE BOARDS TRY TO AMEND ON TOP OF AMEND ON TOP OF AMEND ON TOP OF AMEND.
AND NOT ONLY DOES IT CONFUSE BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT WHAT IT IS YOU'RE VOTING ON AND YOU LOSE SIGHT OF THE INITIAL MATTER THAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DECIDE, BUT IT'S JUST NOT PROPER PURSUANT TO THE RULES.
SO ONE MOTION, AN AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION AND MAYBE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT AMENDMENT.
AND THEN YOU DEAL WITH THEM AND THE ORDER LESS SO YOU WILL MAKE A MOTION AMENDMENT SECOND AMENDMENT. THEN YOU START FROM THE TOP DOWN TOP AND WORK YOUR WAY DOWN.
YOU WOULD DEAL WITH THE SECOND AMENDMENT, DISPOSE OF IT.
DEAL WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
AND THEN GO DOWN TO THE MAIN MOTION, WHATEVER IT IS, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE DECISIONS WERE ON THE AMENDMENTS, BECAUSE THOSE AMENDMENTS WILL ULTIMATELY CHANGE THAT MAIN MOTION, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY WERE VOTED.
SO WE'RE GOING TO PRACTICE THIS SO YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY SO IT'S NOT SO ABSTRACT.
REMEMBER, THE AMENDMENT HAS TO BE GERMANE FIRST AND FOREMOST.
YOU CAN INSERT OR ADD WORDS OR PARAGRAPHS, STRIKE OUT WORDS OR PARAGRAPHS.
WHAT IF THERE HAD BEEN AN AMENDMENT TO THE MAIN MOTION BEFORE IT WAS VOTED ON WHEN WE WERE NAMING THIS MASCOT? BOARD MEMBER TIME OUT, I MOVED TO AMEND THE MOTION TO ADD THE WORD MIGHTY IN FRONT OF COUGARS, SO BOARD MEMBER TIMEOUT DOESN'T WANT THE MASCOT TO BE CALLED COUGARS THAT BOARD
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MEMBER WANTS THEM TO BE CALLED MIGHTY COUGARS.CHAIR, IS THERE A SECOND? YOU NEED A SECOND FOR YOUR AMENDMENT.
BOARD MEMBER TOUCHDOWN, I SECOND.
CHAIR STATES THE MATTER SO THAT YOU GUYS ARE CLEAR, THE MATTER NOW BEFORE US IS WHETHER WE SHOULD AMEND THE CURRENT MOTION TO APPROVE COUGAR'S AS THE MASCOT FOR THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL TO ADD THE WORD MIGHTY IN FRONT OF COUGARS.
ANY DISCUSSION? SO THE CHAIR HAS LAID OUT FOR YOU EXACTLY WHAT IT IS YOU'RE CONSIDERING AT THIS MOMENT.
NOW REMEMBER, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE MAIN MOTION, SO YOU'RE NOT DECIDING THAT THE MASCOT IS GOING TO BE COUGARS RIGHT NOW.
YOU'RE ONLY DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE ADDING THE WORD MIGHTY IN FRONT OF COUGARS.
YOU'RE DEALING WITH THIS AMENDMENT ONE MOTION AT A TIME, ONE AMENDMENT AT A TIME.
BOARD MEMBERS AGAIN COMMENCED DISCUSSION, THIS IS JUST A REMINDER EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE BEFORE YOU GET A SECOND TIME TO SPEAK.
CHAIR, IT APPEARS THE DISCUSSION IS AT AN END CONCERNING THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT OF WHETHER WE SHOULD CHANGE THE CURRENT MOTION TO APPROVE COUGAR'S AS THE MASCOT FOR THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL. TO ADD THE WORD MIGHTY IN FRONT OF COUGARS.
AGAIN, THE CHAIR HAS RESTATED WHAT IT IS YOU'RE GETTING READY TO VOTE ON SO THAT YOU ALL ARE CLEAR.
THIS IS THE RESULTS OF YOUR AMENDMENT VOTE.
THE CHAIR WILL STATE THE RESULTS.
MIGHTY HAS BEEN APPROVED TO BE ADDED IN FRONT OF THE WORD COUGAR WITH EIGHT IN FAVOR AND ONE OPPOSED.
MIGHTY WILL BE IN FRONT OF THE WORD COUGARS, BUT YOU'RE NOT DONE BECAUSE YOU JUST DISPOSED OF THE AMENDMENT.
YOU STILL HAVEN'T DISPOSED OF YOUR MAIN MOTION.
SO ONCE YOU DISPOSE OF THE AMENDMENT, NOW YOU'RE BACK TO THE MAIN MOTION.
NOW THAT THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION IS DISPOSED OF, THE CHAIR WILL RETURN TO THE MAIN MOTION, WHICH NOW INCLUDES THAT AMENDMENT.
OK, SO THE CHAIR WILL STATED THE MATTER BEFORE US NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT IS WHETHER WE SHOULD APPROVE MIGHTY COUGARS AS THE MASCOT FOR THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL.
ANY DISCUSSION? SO NOW YOU'RE DISCUSSING MIGHTY COUGARS AS THE MASCOT BECAUSE THE AMENDMENT PASSED, SO NO MORE DISCUSSION ON JUST COUGARS.
ALL DISCUSSION NOW HAS TO BE ON MIGHTY COUGARS.
IT APPEARS THE DISCUSSION IS AT AN END CONCERNING WHETHER WE SHOULD APPROVE MIGHTY COUGARS AS THE MASCOT FOR THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL.
NOTICE AGAIN, THE CHAIR HAS RESTATED.
MIGHTY COUGARS HAS BEEN APPROVED AS A MASCOT FOR THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
YOUR NEW MASCOT? ANY QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDMENT? OK. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT DURING AMENDMENT PRACTICE THAT THINGS GET RESTATED BY THE PRESIDING OFFICER.
MR. CHAIR, IF IT'S YOU VICE CHAIR, IF IT'S YOU.
SO THAT EVERYONE REMAINS ON TRACK ON EXACTLY WHAT IT IS YOU'RE VOTING FOR, YOU DON'T WANT TO EVER BE IN A POSITION WHERE YOU CAST YOUR VOTE.
AND THEN WHEN IT'S OVER, YOU SECOND, GUESS WHAT YOU JUST VOTED ON? OR EVERYBODY'S AFTER THEY VOTED SAYING, OK, NOW WHAT WAS THAT? I SEE THAT ALL THE TIME.
THAT'S NOT THE TIME TO SAY WHAT'S THAT AFTER YOU VOTED? THIS IS A ROBERT RULES CHEAT SHEET, THERE'S A COPY OF THIS ALSO IN YOUR FOLDER, AND IT JUST GOES OVER THE DIFFERENT MOTIONS AND HOW YOU WOULD PROPERLY SAY THEM.
I KNOW LOTS OF TIMES BOARD MEMBERS ARE NOT SURE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE SAYING IT THE RIGHT WAY. AND IF YOU'RE A CONSCIENTIOUS BOARD MEMBER, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE SAYING IT THE RIGHT WAY AT ALL TIMES, IF YOU CAN.
AND SO THIS IS JUST A LITTLE CHEAT SHEET TO HELP YOU KNOW WHAT TO SAY AND WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE IF YOU NEED A SECOND, WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING'S DEBATABLE.
SO IT'S A GOOD LITTLE RESOURCE.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT DEBATING THE MOTION AND GO AND MAKE SURE THAT I'M HITTING THOSE POINTS HARD. I'VE ALREADY SAID NUMEROUS TIMES, SO I KNOW I DON'T HAVE TO DRILL THIS ONE INTO YOU ANY MORE THAT THE CHAIR HAS TO RESTATE THE MOTION BEFORE DEBATE, SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR ON THE ISSUE.
ONCE THE CHAIR RESTATES THE MOTION, IT BELONGS TO THE BOARD AND IT CANNOT BE RETRACTED.
SO THEN YOU HAVE TO DISCUSS IT AND THEN YOU HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD, AND ULTIMATELY, IF YOU DON'T WANT IT, YOU JUST VOTE IT DOWN.
BUT YOU DON'T GET TO UNILATERALLY SAY, OH, I TAKE MY MOTION BACK, YOU WILL SEE BOARD MEMBERS DOING THAT. SOMEONE WILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT AND THEY'LL SAY WELL, I'LL JUST TAKE IT BACK OR OR I RESCIND IT, OR YOU CAN'T UNILATERALLY DO THAT.
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ONCE IT'S STATED, ONCE THE MOTION IS MADE SECONDED AND THEN THE CHAIR OR THE PRESIDING OFFICER STATES IT, IT'S NOT YOUR INDIVIDUAL MOTION ANYMORE, IT'S THE BOARD'S MOTION, SO YOU CANNOT MAKE A UNILATERAL DECISION ABOUT IT.SO DON'T GET IN THE HABIT OF PULLING STUFF BACK BECAUSE YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND.
IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND, THAT'S FINE.
AND YOU CAN EVEN SAY I CHANGED MY MIND DURING THE COURSE OF YOUR DEBATE ON THE ISSUE.
BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU STILL HAVE TO MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND VOTE IT DOWN.
BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD AVOID DISCUSSING PERSONALITIES, QUESTIONING MOTIVES OR MAKING DEROGATORY REMARKS.
I'M SURE YOU ALL DON'T DO THAT.
THE CHAIR CANNOT CLOSE THE DEBATE AS LONG AS ANY MEMBER DESIRES TO SPEAK.
THE WAY THAT'S HANDLED IS CALLING FOR THE QUESTION.
CHAIRS TEND NOT TO DO IT, BUT YOU CAN.
ON WE'RE DEBATING THE WHOLE MASCOT THING, MIGHTY COUGARS, COUGARS.
EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION ON WHO THE WHAT THE MASCOT SHOULD BE.
SOME PEOPLE DON'T EVEN WANT IT TO BE COUGAR.
AND YOU TALKED ABOUT IT, TALKED ABOUT IT.
AND NOW YOU'RE 15 MINUTES INTO A DISCUSSION ON MIGHTY COUGARS AND YOU'RE ONLY HAVE AN HOUR AND A HALF FOR YOUR BOARD MEETING AND YOU'RE AT THE TOP OF YOUR AGENDA AND YOU GOT 10 OTHER THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO GET TO.
AT THAT POINT, YOU MIGHT DECIDE ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS MIGHT DECIDE ON YOU, MR. CHAIR, MIGHT DECIDE THIS IS ENOUGH DISCUSSION ON THIS ISSUE.
WE NEED TO DECIDE IF IT'S GOING TO BE COUGAR MIGHTY COUGAR.
WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION EITHER WAY.
AND THAT BOARD MEMBER MOVING FOR THE QUESTION WILL NEED A SECOND, GETS A SECOND.
THEN THERE IS DEBATE AND DISCUSSION BECAUSE YOU STILL GOT TO TALK ABOUT THAT MOVING FOR THE QUESTION. THEN THERE'S DEBATE AND DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO END THE DISCUSSION, WHICH CAN TAKE A FEW MORE MINUTES.
SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT TIME MOVING, THE QUESTION IS REALLY ABOUT TIME MANAGEMENT.
AND SO ONCE IT'S DETERMINED THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE, EVERYBODY THINKS YOU NEED TO MOVE ON SO YOU CAN GET TO THE REST OF YOUR ACTION ITEMS ON YOUR AGENDA, THEN THAT VOTE WILL BE TAKEN. ALL IN FAVOR TO MOVE FOR THE QUESTION IT PASSES, AND SO THEN THAT FORCES YOU TO STOP AFTER THAT VOTE IS TAKEN BECAUSE EVERYTHING GETS HIS OWN VOTE.
THEN YOU GO BACK TO VOTING ON THE MATTER THAT WAS BEFORE YOU.
DID EVERYBODY GET THEIR FIRST TIME? THEN I WILL CAUTION YOU TO MOVE THE QUESTION.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO GET AT LEAST ONE TIME TO SPEAK ON ANY ISSUE.
IT'S NOT IT'S NOT OUT OF ORDER, YOU JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE IF THAT PERSON GETS A SECOND. IF THEY DON'T GET A SECOND, THEN IT'S GOING TO DIE.
BUT IF THEY GET A SECOND, THEN YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
YES, SIR. IF IT GETS A SECOND, THEN YOU HAVE TO DEBATE THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO STOP THE DISCUSSION.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON STOPPING DISCUSSION.
YOU NEED A MAJORITY VOTE TO STOP IT.
YOU JUST HAVE TO KIND OF BE CONSCIOUS OF IT AND MINDFUL THAT YOU KNOW YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, YOUR GOAL IS TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR THE BOARD.
RIGHT? I MEAN, MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR YOUR DISTRICT.
YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU NEED TO HAVE EVERYONE'S OPINION ON THE TABLE IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. EVERYONE NEEDS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
AND AS LONG AS YOU'RE CONSCIOUS ABOUT THAT AND YOU'RE INTENTIONAL, THEN YOU SHOULD TAKE THE INITIATIVE TO LIMIT YOUR DISCUSSION.
AND YOUR PERSONAL DISCUSSION SHOULDN'T BE 15 MINUTES ON AN ISSUE WHERE YOU HAVE NINE BOARD MEMBERS THAT ALSO WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
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SOMETIMES YOU MAY HAVE TO DO THAT, OR SOMETIMES IT MAY JUST BE A GENTLE REMINDER TO YOUR BOARD.BOARD MEMBERS I KNOW EVERYBODY IS PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
I KNOW EVERYONE HAS SOMETHING THEY WANT TO SAY OR I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
BUT IF WE CAN KIND OF PULL THE QUESTIONS, MAKE A MORE SUCCINCT SO WE CAN MOVE ON BECAUSE WE HAVE 10 OTHER ACTION ITEMS WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH ON THE AGENDA.
SOMETIMES IT'S JUST A GENTLE REMINDER.
IF ANY BOARD MEMBER MOVES FOR THE QUESTION, MEANING THEY'RE CALLING FOR THE VOTE.
YOU HAVE TO ALLOW THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE MOTION SO THE CHAIR CAN'T RULE THAT THAT PERSON IS OUT OF ORDER.
WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN IS THEY'RE GOING TO NEED A SECOND.
AND A BOARD MEMBERS DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S APPROPRIATE YET, BECAUSE YOU GUYS RECOGNIZE EVERYBODY HASN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, THEN NO ONE SECONDS AND THEN IT DIES.
BUT IF SOMEONE SHOULD HAPPEN TO SECOND THERE, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE DISCUSSION ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO END THE DISCUSSION AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT ISSUE BEFORE YOU GO BACK TO WHATEVER IT WAS, YOU WERE INITIALLY DISCUSSING.
BUT NO, IF A BOARD MEMBER CALLS FOR THE QUESTION OR MOVES FOR THE QUESTION IS MOVING FOR THE PREVIOUS QUESTION IS THE WAY IT STATED THEN NO, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
AND IF YOU DON'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN AND YOU JUST DON'T SECOND IT.
BUT IF IT GETS SECONDED, THEN IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
BUT IF IT SHOULD GET SECONDED? BUT IF IT GETS SECONDED AND THEN YOU'RE MOVING ON TO DISCUSSION, THEN THAT'S WHEN IT'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, HEY GUYS, WE DIDN'T GET TO DISCUSS IT AT ALL ON THIS END, AND IT'S UNFAIR FOR US NOT TO HAVE OUR OPINION ON THE TABLE BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION ON IT.
AND THEN THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO CALL FOR THE QUESTION.
SO THEN YOU WOULD JUST STAY YOUR REASON WHY YOU THINK IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO VOTE ON THE ISSUE RIGHT THEN.
AND HOPEFULLY, IF HALF OF YOU GUYS HAVEN'T PUT YOUR OPINION ON THE RECORD, THEN THE THEN THE MOTION WILL FAIL.
BUT THERE'S ALWAYS A CHANCE THAT IT WON'T I MEAN, IT COULD IT COULD PASS, EVERYBODY GETS THE VOTE.
TO A MAIN MOTION. SO FOR AMENDMENTS.
THAT'S THE CHAIR IS CALLED IF THE AMENDMENT TOPIC IS GERMANE.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS WHOLE MOTION TO PICK A MASCOT AND THE MAIN MOTION WAS WE, THE SUPERINTENDENT GAVE US THE RESULTS OF THE.
OF WHAT WAS THE COMPETITION TO NAME THE MASCOT, AND WE CAME UP WITH COUGARS.
WELL, SOMEONE HAD AN AMENDMENT THAT THEY WANTED TO PUT MIGHTY IN FRONT OF COUGARS IF SOMEONE ELSE HAD PROPOSED AN AMENDMENT, WANTED TO MOVE A SECOND AMENDMENT AND THEY WANTED IT TO BE WOLVERINES INSTEAD OF COUGARS.
THE MAIN MOTION IS COUGAR'S, THE AMENDMENT IS TO ADD MIGHTY IN FRONT OF COUGAR'S FOR SOMEONE TO COME BACK NOW AND TRY TO TOTALLY CHANGE THE MASCOT TO AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ANIMAL. THAT'S NOT GERMANE TO THAT MOTION.
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NOW THAT'S NOT TO SAY THE PERSON CAN'T RAISE IT ON THEIR OWN MAIN MOTION AFTER THAT WAS VOTED ON BECAUSE THEY CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND SAY, OK, MIGHTY COUGARS HAS PASSED.SOMEONE ELSE CAN COME BACK DESPITE WHAT THE SUPERINTENDENT'S RECOMMENDATION IS, DESPITE THE RESULTS OF THE COMPETITION AND SAY, WELL, I REALLY DON'T THAT PERSON THAT DIDN'T THAT VOTED NO EACH TIME, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ONE PERSON THAT VOTED NO UNTIL WE GOT TO THE END AND THEY JUST ACCEPTED THAT MIGHTY COUGARS.
BUT THAT PERSON CAN STILL COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, I DIDN'T LIKE COUGARS AT ALL IN THE FIRST PLACE. I FELT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE WOLVERINES.
AND THAT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER MAIN MOTION THAT WOULD AT THAT POINT, BASED ON WHAT THE BOARD HAS BEEN VOTING WOULD GET VOTED DOWN.
BUT THAT'S JUST TO GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF HOW AN AMENDMENT CANNOT BE GERMANE TO THE MOTION THAT'S PENDING. CHANGING A DATE.
THAT WOULDN'T BE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE SAME CALENDAR YEAR.
SO I WOULD SAY IF I WERE THE CHAIR, I WOULD SAY THAT MOTION IS OUT OF ORDER IS NOT GERMANE TO THE PENDING MOTION.
IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT CALENDAR YEAR.
AND THEN IF YOU GUYS DISAGREED, AT LEAST TWO OF YOU A MOTION TO APPEAL WHAT I JUST SAID, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WHAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IS AT THE END OF THE DAY, EVERYTHING HAS TO REFLECT THE WILL OF THE BOARD AS A WHOLE, NOT ONE INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBER AND NOT THE PRESIDING OFFICER.
SO THERE IS ALWAYS THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO REVISIT UNTIL YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED WHAT THE WILL OF THE BOARD IS.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, SAY THAT GOT APPEALED, AND THEY AND YOU GUYS THOUGHT TWO PEOPLE THOUGHT, WELL, I THINK THAT IS GERMANE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S THE SAME CALENDAR YEAR.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CALENDARS.
IF TWO PEOPLE DECIDE THAT THERE'S A SECOND, THEN THERE'S DEBATE AND VOTE ON IT.
AND SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE BOARD CAN DECIDE WILL ULTIMATELY DECIDE IF THAT WAS GERMANE OR NOT. AND IF YOU FELT THAT YOU AGREE WITH ME AS A PRESIDING OFFICER THAT IT'S A DIFFERENT CALENDAR YEAR AND IT'S NOT GERMANE, YOU WERE VOTED DOWN, YOU'D VOTE DOWN THAT APPEAL. IF YOU AGREED WITH THE MEMBER WHO MADE THE APPEAL THAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN GERMANE, THEN YOU WOULD VOTE YES AND THEN IT WOULD PASS.
AND THAT WOULD REFLECT THE WILL OF THE BOARD WHO DIDN'T AGREE WITH ME AS A PRESIDING OFFICER. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE UP OR DOWN AND YOUR VOTE WILL COLLECTIVELY REFLECT THE WILL OF THE BOARD.
IT ALL WORKS, IT'S MY MOM'S, IT WORKS OUT IN THE WASH.
SO EVEN IF YOU DON'T AGREE, YOU STILL NEED THE MOTION AND THE SECOND JUST TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT.
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COULD DO THAT, THAT'S NOT TRADITIONALLY THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE.I MEAN, THERE'S NOT NOTHING TO STOP YOU FROM SOMEONE MAKING A MOTION TO HEAR IT.
AND VOTE TO APPROVE GENERALLY THE WAY CONSENT AGENDAS ARE ADOPTED IS THERE'S A MOTION TO ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THERE'S A SECOND TO ON THAT MOTION AND THEN DISCUSSION IS OPEN ABOUT THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. AND DURING THE COURSE OF THAT DISCUSSION, YOU WILL DECIDE AS A BOARD IF EVERYTHING SHOULD STAY IN THE CONSENT AGENDA OR SOMETHING SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND MOVE TO AN INDIVIDUAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
YOU KNOW, SO THERE WILL BE A A MOTION A MOTION I MOVED TO ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA MR. CHAIR. THERE IS A SECOND MR. CHAIR WILL SAY, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? AND AT THAT TIME WE WOULD DISCUSS THE CONSENT AGENDA ONLY THE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED.
IF YOU CAN DO IT INDIVIDUALLY, YOU CAN DO IT COLLECTIVELY.
HOWEVER YOU NEED TO DO IT DEPENDING ON WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA.
SOMETIMES IT'S REALLY SIMPLE THINGS THAT ARE YOU HAVE IT ON THERE EVERY TIME AND YOU DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS IT.
BUT SOMETIMES THERE MAY BE AN ITEM OR THERE MAY BE POLICY ISSUES THAT YOU PUT INSIDE YOUR CONSENT AGENDA. YOU MIGHT NEED TO DISCUSS THOSE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
SO JUST DEPENDING. IT CAN BE INDIVIDUALLY OR CAN BE COLLECTIVELY, BUT YOU WILL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. DECIDE EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THERE NEEDS TO STAY IN THERE AND THEN YOU WILL TAKE THE VOTE ON ADOPTING THE CONSENT AGENDA.
AND IF YOU ULTIMATELY DECIDE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN THERE, THEN IT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION TO ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA.
AND IT MAY SOUND SOMETHING LIKE MR. CHAIR I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA, TO CHANGE THAT, TO ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA MINUS SECTION B1 OR B2, OR WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO TAKE OUT.
AND SO THEN THAT AMENDMENT WILL GET VOTED ON.
YOU DISPOSE OF THAT AMENDMENT AND THEN YOU'LL COME BACK TO YOUR MAIN MOTION, WHICH WILL PROBABLY END UP WITH NOW A MOTION TO ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA WITHOUT SECTION B ONE.
YES. WITH A SECOND DISCUSSION AND A VOTE.
AND IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OUT, THEN THERE'S AN AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION TO TAKE THAT THING OUT, A VOTE ON THAT AMENDMENT.
THEN BACK TO THE MAIN WITH THE AMENDMENT INCLUDED IF SOMETHING WAS TAKEN OUT.
AND ONCE YOU GET IT ACTUALLY CAN GO REALLY ONCE YOU GET USED TO DOING IT.
NO, SO THIS IS ON ACTION ITEMS. SO IF YOU'RE A SUPERINTENDENT IS BRINGING YOU A SUPERINTENDENT'S REPORT AND YOU JUST GOT GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS REPORT, THEN THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM SOMETHING YOU'RE ACTUALLY TAKING ACTION.
HOW ABOUT A RECOMMENDATION? HOW ABOUT A RECOMMENDATION? OKAY.
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... IF YOU'RE GOING TO, IS THAT CALENDAR LISTED ON YOUR AGENDA AS AN ACTION ITEM? THEN YOU NEED A MOTION AND YOU NEED A SECOND AND YOU NEED DISCUSSION.THAT'S NOT BEST PRACTICES FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE, NOT YOU ALL, HUMAN BEINGS TEND TO PAY A BIT MORE ATTENTION ON THINGS THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO MOVE ON.
SO YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO GIVE SOMETHING THE SAME LEVEL OF TENSION IF YOU'RE JUST RECEIVING AS INFORMATION AS YOU WOULD FOR SOMETHING YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE ON. ALSO, YOU'RE NOT.
THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW WHEN YOU NOTICE THAT MEETING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT ITEM. SO SOMEONE WHO MAY FEEL OR HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT IT MAY NOT HAVE SIGNED UP FOR YOUR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, MAY NOT HAVE GOTTEN IN TOUCH WITH SOMEBODY ON THE BOARD OR THE SUPERINTENDENT TO EXPRESS.
THEY NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT, WHATEVER ACTION THEY'RE GOING TO DO BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW YOU PLAN TO TAKE ACTION, SO DON'T DO THAT.
AND I WAS ABOUT TO SAY AND A LOT OF DISTRICTS, SO JUST SO, YOU KNOW, DURING COVID, ESPECIALLY THE ONSET, A LOT OF DISTRICTS DID A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WOULDN'T NORMALLY DO TO JUST RESPOND TO THE EMERGENCY.
AND SO DISTRICTS, FOR THE MOST PART, GOT A LOT OF PASSES FROM THE COMMUNITY AND FROM THE MEDIA. THAT IS NOT HAPPENING SO MUCH NOW.
AND SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO RETURN BACK TO BEST PRACTICES AS MUCH AS YOU CAN AND JUST SO YOU CAN SO THAT YOU DON'T EXPOSE YOURSELF TO UNNECESSARY SCRUTINY AND UNNECESSARY LITIGATION. THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE, HAVING SAID THAT, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE AN EMERGENCY OR AN EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE YOU JUST HAVE TO RESPOND.
I GET THAT. BUT TO THE EXTENT YOU DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND RIGHT AWAY AND YOU CAN'T AFFORD THE BOARD, TWENTY FOUR TO FORTY EIGHT HOURS, TRY TO DO THAT.
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MIC] NO, HE'S ON YOUR AGENDA TO DO A PRESENTATION.IT DEPENDS. SO IS THIS ON YOUR AGENDA JUST AS RECEIVING INFORMATION FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT OR IS THIS ON YOUR AGENDA YOU'RE GETTING A RECORD, YOU'RE GETTING A REPORT FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT AND YOU INTEND TO TAKE ACTION ON IT? SO YOU WANT TO KNOW BEFORE HE STARTS ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS BEHIND HIS PRESENTATION, DO YOU NEED A MOTION? NO.
IF HE'S GIVING A PRESENTATION AND YOU GOT QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE PRESENTATION, ASK YOUR QUESTIONS. THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOU'RE GETTING READY TO MOVE TO TAKE ACTION ON WHAT HE'S JUST PRESENTED, BUT YOU MIGHT.
SO IF AT ANY POINT YOU DECIDE YOU'RE GETTING READY TO MOVE TO TAKE, THEN YOU NEED YOUR MOTION, YOUR SECOND AND FURTHER DISCUSSION.
BUT IF YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY ASKED THEM THE QUESTIONS, YOU MAY NOT NEED THAT MUCH FURTHER DISCUSSION. BUT WE HAVEN'T PUT ON THE AGENDA THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ACTION, THOUGH.
WELL, JUST BECAUSE YOU SO PUTTING IT ON AGENDA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE ACTION IS REALLY TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THIS IS YOUR INTENT, RIGHT? THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE ON JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN ACTION ON YOUR AGENDA AT A MATTER ON YOUR AGENDA AS AN ACTION ITEM DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON IT.
BUT IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU MIGHT, IT NEEDS TO BE LISTED AS AN ACTION ITEM.
BOARD ALL THE TIME WILL LIST SOMETHING AS AN ACTION ITEM AND THEN THEY'LL GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR A QUESTION WILL GET RAISED AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY SURE THEY WANT TO WAIT.
AND SO THEY WON'T TAKE ACTION.
AND THAT'S FINE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ACTION JUST BECAUSE IT'S LISTED AS AN ACTION ITEM .
NO, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR YOU TO PUT IT AS AN ACTION ITEM AND THEN ULTIMATELY YOU DON'T TAKE ACTION ON IT.
YOU'RE STILL NOT READY. THAT'S FINE.
BUT IT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO RUN NOT JUST THE CALENDAR, ANYTHING, IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY BECAUSE SOME THINGS YOU GUYS KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE YEAH, YOU REALLY ARE JUST GETTING MORE INFORMATION.
BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING WHERE YOU KNOW, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, IT SHOULD BE LISTED AS AN ACTION ITEM AND THEN YOU JUST YOU CAN JUST DECIDE NOT TO TAKE ACTION ON IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO YOU DON'T HAVE TO MOVE ON EVERY ACTION ITEM.
BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT MOVING ON, IT SHOULD BE LISTED AS AN ACTION ITEM.
WE WOULD HAVE TO LIST POSTPONE THE VOTE ON A MODIFIED CALENDAR TO A FUTURE DATE.
SO IF YOU HAD SO LIKE LAST WEEK, THE EXAMPLE HE GAVE, IF YOU GUYS WERE HAD ON YOUR AGENDA THAT YOU WERE RECEIVING INFORMATION ON THE CALENDAR AND YOU HAD NOT LISTED THAT AS AN ACTION ITEM, THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN INAPPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO TAKE MY VOTE.
BUT IF WE NEEDED A MOTION TO POSTPONE TO A DEFINITE TIME IF WE LIKE, IF WE ENTERED THE
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MEETING WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE WERE GOING TO ADOPT A MODIFIED SCHOOL CALENDAR.SO IT'S LISTED AS MY ADOPTION OF MODIFIED SCHOOL CALENDAR AND IN THE MIDST OF THE DISCUSSION, SOME UNEXPECTED INFORMATION SURFACES OR SOMETHING.
AND WE DECIDE THAT WE REALLY DON'T WANT WE WANT SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE MODIFIED CALENDAR.
WE WOULD JUST SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE TONIGHT AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
OR SHOULD WE ACTUALLY VOTE TO POSTPONE TAKING ACTION ON THIS ITEM UNTIL A FUTURE BOARD MEETING? YOU NEED A MOTION TO POSTPONE.
OK. AND IT'S BETTER IF YOU CAN SAY A MOTION TO POSTPONE TO SUCH AND SUCH BOARD MEETING ON SUCH AND SUCH A DATE IN ORDER TO RECEIVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
LIKE THE MOST CLEAR, YOU CAN BE ABOUT WHY IT'S BETTER.
OKAY. THEN THAT MOTION NEEDS A SECOND, THEN DISCUSSION, THEN VOTE.
MAKE SURE YOU'RE CARRYING ALL YOUR MOTIONS THROUGH, EVEN WHEN YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT, SO YOU GET IN THE HABIT OF IT.
AFTER WORKING WITH HER. UM, OH, I SAID THAT ALREADY.
THESE ARE JUST COMMON TYPES OF VOTING.
DIFFERENT BOARDS DO A DIFFERENT WAYS NOW THAN WHERE EVERYBODY'S PRETTY MUCH ELECTRONIC BECAUSE OF COVID.
I SEE LOTS OF BOARDS ONLINE HAVE, UM.
THEY CAN JUST PRESS THE BUTTON WITH THEIR NAME AND IT SHOWS UP ELECTRONICALLY.
BUT SOME SCHOOL BOARDS ARE STILL DON'T HAVE EQUAL TECHNOLOGY, SO YOU WILL SEE SOME OF THEM STILL DOING VOICE VOTES OR SHOW OF HANDS AND ROLL CALL.
UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T REALLY SEE BOARDS USING A LOT, BUT IT'S AVAILABLE TO YOU LIKE YOU DON'T.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE A INDIVIDUAL VOTE EVERY SINGLE TIME ON THINGS THAT YOU ALL ALREADY AGREE ON. IT CAN JUST BE UNANIMOUS CONSENT WITHOUT OBJECTION.
BUT IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE USING THAT, THEN DON'T.
THE VOTE, THIS IS JUST SOME REMINDERS ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING AS YOU'RE VOTING, THE MOTION MUST BE RESTATED BEFORE CALLING FOR A VOTE.
CALL FOR NEGATIVE VOTES MUST BE MADE AND THAT IS ALL OPPOSED.
WHEN YOU SAY ALL OPPOSED OR ALL AGAINST LIKE, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE STATING THAT FOR THE MINUTE SO YOU CAN HAVE AN ACCURATE REFLECTION OF WHO'S AGAINST IT, THE OUTCOME OF THE VOTE. AGAIN, THAT WAS WHEN THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL SAY HOW MANY WERE IN FAVOR, HOW MANY WERE OPPOSED.
YOU ALL KNOW A TIE VOTE IS A LOST VOTE.
ABSENTEE AND PROXY VOTING ARE NOT ALLOWED.
ABSTENTIONS COUNT AS AN ABSENCE FROM THE VOTE, AND THE CHAIR SHOULD VOTE ON ALL MATTERS AND MUST VOTE IF IT IS DOWN TO A TIE.
THERE ARE VERY FEW BOARDS NOW.
I THINK I CAN ONLY THINK OF MAYBE ONE OR TWO THAT I'VE SEEN HERE RECENTLY, WHERE THE CHAIR DOESN'T VOTE FOR EVERYTHING.
THE CHAIR GETS ONE VOTE JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
THE ONLY TIME I REALLY SEE THIS WHOLE TIE THING BEING AN ISSUE IS WHEN YOU'RE VOTING FOR OFFICERS. MOST BOARDS VOTE FOR OFFICERS BY BALLOT VOTE AND SO YOU WILL SEE TIES HAPPENING OVER AND OVER BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS TWO PEOPLE THAT THAT BOARD MEMBERS WANT.
AND IN THAT CASE, I HAD TO TELL SOMEONE A COUPLE OF RIGHT BEFORE WE GOT OUT FOR CHRISTMAS BREAK AND THEY WERE LIKE, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE GET A TIE? AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU GUYS HAVE TO REBALLOT.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE GET ANOTHER TIE? WELL, YOU HAVE TO REBALLOT.
WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE GET A.
SO MY ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION IS GOING TO BE YOU'RE GOING TO REBALLOT UNTIL YOU DON'T HAVE A TIE. AND HOPEFULLY FOR YOU GUYS, THAT WON'T BE THREE HOURS LATER, BUT YOU HAVE TO KEEP REBALLOTING.
HOW ABOUT IF YOU HAVE A MEMBER ABSENT? YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ANNOUNCED YOUR VOTE FOR OFFICERS AND WE HAVE NINE ONE PERSONS OUT AND YOU HAD EIGHT PEOPLE THERE AND IT'S A FOUR OR FOUR VOTE AND YOU GO THROUGH ABOUT FIVE OF THESE AND NOTHING CHANGES.
CAN YOU CAN SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION THAT WE POSTPONE THE VOTE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE FULL BOARD IS PRESENT? SOMEONE CAN MAKE THE MOTION, BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER MOST BOARDS POLICY SETS THE TIME WHEN THEY HAVE TO.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM RIGHT THERE.
SO LET'S USE A DIFFERENT EXAMPLE.
SO YES, YOU CAN SUSPEND THE RULE.
YOU GOT GOOD EARS. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T ADVISE DOING THAT, BUT IT IS AN OPTION THAT WOULD NOT BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
YEAH. SO SAME SAME EXACT EXAMPLE WHERE SOMEBODY IS OUT.
BUT LET'S SAY IT'S A IT'S A POLICY MATTER LIKE OUR MODIFIED CALENDAR, RIGHT? AND IF YOU LOOK AT, LET'S SAY, THERE'S ONLY EIGHT OF US HERE AND IT'S A FOUR-FOUR TIE.
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WE'RE GOING TO STAY TILL THE WEE HOURS OF THE NIGHT OR HOW EXACTLY IF YOU CAN'T BREAK YOUR BROKER A TIE. WE COULD DO THE SAME THING.WE COULD MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER IT OR NOT, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT DEADLINE IMPOSED ON THAT LOOKED LIKE IT IS IN POLICY.
THAT'S TRUE. WE COULD JUST MAKE A MOVE TO THE CALENDAR.
YOU COULD JUST MOTION TO POSTPONE TO A CERTAIN TIME THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM OFFICER ELECTIONS, WHICH ARE USUALLY DRIVEN BY BOARD POLICY.
THEY ARE, YEAH, RECESS AND THEN GO BACK AND TWIST ARMS. EXACTLY. THE BOTTOM LINE THE SOLE PURPOSE OF A MEETING IS TO DETERMINE THE COLLECTIVE WILL OF THE MAJORITY IN A FAIR AND EFFICIENT MANNER. AND I JUST ASK THAT IF YOU KEEP THAT FOREFRONT, THEN IT WILL MAKE ALL OF THIS EASIER. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU ALL, WHAT ARE SOME THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO DIFFERENTLY OR BETTER AS IT RELATES TO ROBERT'S RULES AND YOUR PRACTICE AS A BOARD MEMBER? WELL, I'VE ASKED A BUNCH OF THEM ALREADY.
I JUST I DEFINITELY I REMEMBER FROM MY EARLY DAYS ON THE BOARD LAYING SOMETHING ON THE TABLE. I DEFINITELY WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T DO THAT UNLESS WE HAVE THE INTENTION OF PICKING IT BACK UP.
WE WERE POSTPONED TO A FUTURE DATE, IF SOMETHING.
THAT WAS HELPFUL TO ME. YOU CAN'T CARRY IT TO A FUTURE DATE ON A LAY ON THE TABLE, CAN YOU CANCEL THE NEXT MEETING? BUT IF IT'S NOT PICKED UP FROM THE TABLE BY THE END OF THAT MEETING, THEN IT DIES.
BUT WHEN WE HAD AN IN-HOUSE ATTORNEY, MR. BIRKOFF, TO SAT AT THE END OF [INAUDIBLE] AND HE WAS A PART OF THE DELIBERATIONS, IN OTHER WORDS, HE SAT TO THE DELIBERATIONS THAT WE COULD TURN TO HIM FOR LEGAL GUIDANCE OR I KNOW ON POINTS OF ORDER ON ROBERT'S RULE OF ORDER.
IT'S ONE REASON WHY I NEVER LEARNED THEM SO GOOD.
IT'S BECAUSE I COULD ALWAYS LOOK AT HIM AND HE'D TELL ME WHAT TO DO.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TAKE SOME STEPS TO MAKE OUR ATTORNEY A LITTLE BIT MORE AUTHORITATIVE IN THE SENSE OF BEING PRESENT IN AN OBVIOUS CONSPICUOUS WAY.
AND I GUESS IF WE HAVE TO PASS RULES OR SOMETHING.
I'M SORRY. YOU CAN'T HEAR ME WITH THIS OFF.
YOU SURE CAN'T HEAR ME WITH IT ON.
I WAS JUST SAYING THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO MAKE THE ATTORNEY A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PARTICIPANT IN OUR MEETINGS NOT TO INTERFERE ANYWAY WAY, BUT PERHAPS PUT HER UP HERE BY CAMERA SOMEWHERE IN A CONSPICUOUS WAY AND HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING AMONG OURSELVES THAT IF WE HAVE DISAGREEMENTS ON LEGAL MATTERS AND POINTS OF ORDER, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO TURN TO THE ATTORNEY AND ASK FOR ADVICE.
BUT NOTHING ELSE UNLESS IT'S PRETTY PREDETERMINED THAT WE WOULD NEED PARTICIPATION.
THAT'S GREAT. DON'T TAKE ANY ACTION ON THAT, THOUGH, BECAUSE THIS IS A SPECIAL CALL BOARD MEETING. NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TO DO THAT TONIGHT.
WELL, I DON'T HAVE REALLY ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.
BUT I MEAN, WE HAVE CALLED ON CATHY OR WHOEVER WAS HERE BEFORE IN WHICH IN THE THANKFULLY RARE CASES WHERE WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, PARLIAMENTARY CONCERN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE MORE PROMINENT TYPE SETTING, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHING HALF OF WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED TO A POINT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT.
YEAH. WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, SHE SAID, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT OUR CONTRACT WITH THE ATTORNEY SAYS.
DO WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE NOW? AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO BE MAKING A CHANGE SO THAT THEY'RE DOING SOME ADDITIONAL DUTY. I DON'T WANT TO PAY HER ANYMORE TO ASK ME TO ASK ME WHETHER A PORTAL TO CLARIFY WHETHER A POINT OF ORDER IS LEGITIMATE OR NOT.
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I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THAT.OUR AGREEMENT IS THAT THEY'RE HERE.
SOMEONE IS HERE FOR WHATEVER WE NEED AT EACH BOARD MEETING.
HE GAVE IT TO ME, BUT I HAVE A.
HMM. ANYBODY ELSE? THAT'S IT. ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS? WELL THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THIS PRESENTATION, FIRST OF ALL, MS. LAURENCE.
THIS CHEAT SHEET IS VERY GOOD.
I THOUGHT I HAD FOUND A DECENT CHEAT SHEET WITH THAT TRI FOLD.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S CALLED, BUT BASICALLY QUICK, QUICK SHEET THING, BUT THAT'S NOT A CHEAT SHEET.
YES. ARE THERE FOUR MORE PAGES LIKE THEY ALL LOOK LIKE THIS? OR ARE THEY FOR OTHER UNRELATED? I MEAN, THEY'RE IN ROBERT'S RULES, BUT THEY'RE NOT A CHEAT SHEET.
THIS CHEAT, SHE WAS INSIDE OF A PRESENTATION THAT I THINK MY STAFF ATTORNEY ATTENDED FOR SOMETHING ELSE, AND IT WAS IN THERE BECAUSE SHE WAS GOING TO A MEETING AND SO THAT ALL PEOPLE PARTICIPATING TO KIND OF BE STAKEHOLDERS IN THE MEETING AND BE PRESENT AND RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THE MEETING EFFICIENT.
THIS WAS INCLUDED FOR THEM SO THAT THEY CAN ALL BE MINDFUL OF HOW THE MEETING WAS RUN, BUT THE MEETING DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ROBERT'S RULES.
THIS WAS JUST SO THEY WOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE MEETING.
KIND OF LIKE WHAT I SAID ABOUT EVERY EVERYBODY'S RESPONSIBILITY.
SO IF EVERYBODY HAS THE KNOWLEDGE, THEN EVERYBODY CAN BE RESPONSIBLE.
I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING THIS TO US.
TO SAY THANK YOU. ALSO, THIS IS FANTASTIC.
DID YOU GET THIS SLICE OF SOMETHING HERE? SO FOR THOSE WHO WANT THEM CAN HAVE THEM.
I CAN ACTUALLY GIVE THEM TO YOU NOW.
CAN YOU ASK ABOUT THINGS RIGHT THERE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. SO WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING.
YOU'RE GOING TO DISSEMINATE THOSE SOMEHOW, MICHAEL.
ALL RIGHT. PUT IT RIGHT THERE ON THAT LAPTOP.
OK. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE CHANGE THE NAME FOR THE MIGHTY COOPER.
IT'S LIKE THAT ONE TIME. WELL, NO MORE QUESTIONS.
WILL THAT STEPHANIE GET GET PREPARED TO GO BACK HOME? YES. BEFORE IT GETS TOO LATE.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HAVING ME.
IT WAS MY PLEASURE. WELL, THANK YOU.
MY BUSINESS CARD IS INSIDE THE POCKET OF EACH FOLDER.
YOU ALL PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME IF YOU NEED ANYTHING.
WE'RE AT THE SCHOOL BOARDS ASSOCIATION TO SERVE ALL OF OUR BOARDS.
[Adjourn]
MY DIRECT LINE IS ON THERE, 0258.IF I DON'T ANSWER IT, I WILL CALL YOU BACK WITHIN TWENTY FOUR HOURS.
I JUST HAVE A SET TIME IN MY DAY WHERE I HAVE TO DO CALLS, THEN EMAILS, THEN OTHER PROJECTS AND I HAVE TO GO BACK TO CALLS.
SO WHEN I'M NOT ON CALLS, I DON'T DO CALLS.
OTHERWISE, I DON'T GET THE REST OF THE STUFF DONE IN MY DAY, BUT I WILL CALL YOU BACK.
I WILL LISTEN TO THE VOICEMAIL AND I WILL CALL YOU BACK.
WELL, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME.
IT WAS REALLY NOT ONLY INFORMATIVE, IT WAS ENJOYABLE.
SO THANK YOU. MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I DIDN'T DO WHAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO, BUT STARTING STARTING NEXT TIME, I'LL DO BETTER.
OK.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.